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Why do two prayer apps show different times?

Two apps disagree because they use different calculation methods and a different Asr rule. Here is what each parameter changes, and by how much.

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Short answer

Because they are using different calculation parameters, not because one of them is broken. The two that matter are the twilight angles used for Fajr and Isha — which vary from 12° to 19.5° depending on the authority — and the Asr rule, where the Hanafi calculation begins Asr roughly 45 to 70 minutes later than the majority one. A difference of a few minutes at Fajr and up to an hour at Asr is normal and expected between methods.

Prayer times are not looked up in a table. They are computed from the sun's position for your exact coordinates, and that computation takes parameters. Change a parameter and the answer moves — legitimately, for everyone using that parameter.

The two parameters that cause almost all disagreement

Fajr begins at true dawn and Isha at the end of twilight. Neither moment has a single agreed definition, so each authority fixes an angle: how far the sun is below the horizon. A larger angle means an earlier Fajr and a later Isha.

AuthorityFajr angleIsha angleUsed in
Muslim World League18°17°Europe, much of the world
Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı18°17°Türkiye
Umm al-Qura, Makkah18.5°90 min after MaghribSaudi Arabia
Egyptian General Authority19.5°17.5°Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq
University of Islamic Sciences, Karachi18°18°Pakistan, India, Bangladesh
ISNA15°15°United States, Canada
JAKIM20°18°Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore

ISNA's 15° is the outlier and the reason North American timetables often show a noticeably later Fajr than the ones a family brought with them from elsewhere. Neither is a mistake; they are answering the same question with different thresholds.

Asr: the one that moves by an hour

Asr begins when an object's shadow reaches a set multiple of its own length, measured after the minimum shadow at noon. The Hanafi school uses twice the object's length; the Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali schools use once.

In mid-latitudes the gap between the two Asr calculations runs from roughly 45 minutes in summer to over an hour in winter.

A property of the shadow-length formula, not of any one app

This is why an app can look wrong to two people in the same room. If your app shows Asr about an hour before your mosque, you are probably on the majority calculation while your mosque follows the Hanafi one, or the reverse.

What to check when the times look wrong

  1. Check the location the app is using. A cached city from a trip will shift everything.
  2. Check which calculation method is selected, and compare it against what your local mosque or national authority publishes.
  3. Check the madhhab setting if it is Asr that looks off by around an hour.
  4. Check for a high-latitude rule if you are above roughly 48° and it is summer — Fajr and Isha may be approximated rather than computed.
  5. Only then adjust individual prayers by hand, a minute or two at a time.

Above 48°: when twilight never ends

North of roughly 48° latitude in summer, the sun never drops far enough below the horizon for astronomical Fajr or Isha to occur at all. No angle produces an answer, so calculation methods substitute a rule — dividing the night into sevenths, taking the closest date at which the angle does occur, or using a fixed interval after Maghrib. Communities in the same city may follow different rules, which is why mosque timetables in Northern Europe can differ by an hour or more in June.

Related questions

Which calculation method is the correct one?

None is correct in the abstract. Each is a published position by a recognised authority, and the right one for you is the one your local community follows — usually your country's own religious authority, or the mosque you pray in.

Why is Asr an hour later in my app than my father's?

Almost certainly the madhhab setting. The Hanafi calculation begins Asr when a shadow is twice the object's length, the other three schools at one length; in mid-latitudes that is a 45 to 70 minute difference.

Can prayer times be calculated without internet?

Yes. The calculation needs only your coordinates, the date and the parameters, all of which fit on the device. Apps that fetch times from a server do so for convenience, not necessity.

Sources

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